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Agency is critical to the plan of salvation, and the adversary wanted it gone. But how? Philip L. Barlow wrote a banger of an article in Dialogue looking at prevailing theories, and argues the theology yields critical implications for how Mormons interact with government, politics, and church organization.  It’s a great read!!!

Philip L. Barlow has a doctorate of theology (Th.D.) from the Harvard Divinity School and serves on the boards of directors for the Society for Mormon Philosophy and Theology and the Dialogue Foundation.  How cool is that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Barlow

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

Dialogue Podcast Network

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/

Article for today: “Shards of Combat: How Did Satan Seek to Destroy the Agency of Man?”, by Philip L. Barlow

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/shards-of-combat/

The full issue: Yet to be revealed, open questions in Latter-Day Saint theology. Edited by Eric A. Eliason and Terryl L. Givens

https://byustudies.byu.edu/journal/60-3/

Darlene Young’s “A plan of salvation” isn’t yet published, but will appear in Irreantum’s next issue, “The Plan”.

https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/

Moses 4:3

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/4?lang=eng#p3

Bonus!  Jaywalking chat was cut from the episode, but enjoy Adam Ruins Everything - Why Jaywalking Is a Crime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AFn7MiJz_s

We welcome William Morris aka Wm, founder of A Motley Vision, onto our show to talk about the BYU studies article, The King Follett Discourse: Pinnacle or Peripheral?, by James E. Faulconer and Susannah Morrison.  We talk about the nature of individuality, intelligence, and our own eternal destiny, as revealed by Joseph Smith and studied by prophets and scholars ever since.  We even may have come to a new conclusion on the discourse as a whole?  Join us!

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

Dialogue Podcast Network

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/podcasts/

Article for today: The King Follett Discourse: Pinnacle or Peripheral?, by James E. Faulconer and Susannah Morrison

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-king-follett-discourse-pinnacle-or-peripheral/

The full issue: Yet to be revealed, open questions in Latter-Day Saint theology. Edited by Eric A. Eliason and Terryl L. Givens

https://byustudies.byu.edu/journal/60-3/

Motley Vision website

https://motleyvision.org/

The Darkest Abyss: Strange Mormon Stories, by William Morris

https://www.amazon.com/Darkest-Abyss-Strange-Mormon-Stories/dp/1948218682

Email subscription for Wm

https://buttondown.email/motleyvision

God has created “both things to act and things to be acted upon”, 2 Nephi 2:14

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/2#p14

Science the Key to Theology: Volume One: Preliminaries, by Steven L. Peck

https://www.amazon.com/Science-Key-Theology-One-Preliminaries/dp/0998605204

The Marvelous Clouds: Toward a Philosophy of Elemental Media, by John Durham Peters

https://www.amazon.com/Marvelous-Clouds-Toward-Philosophy-Elemental/dp/022625383X

Dark Watch and other Mormon-American stories, by William Morris 

https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Watch-other-Mormon-American-stories-ebook/dp/B00WQHCCFG

Talking to Dante in the Spirit World,by Daniel Cooper

https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/talking-to-dante-in-the-spirit-world-by-daniel-cooper/

Hemingway in Paradise and Other Mormon Poems, by Scott Hales

https://www.amazon.com/Hemingway-Paradise-Other-Mormon-Poems/dp/B09WQBHBQG

Thanks to our sponsor!  Check out Beyond the Witch's Woods: Book One of the Kingdom of Adair, by Nathan K Caulder 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BF2Q4TJX/

It’s a two for one today as we look at two BYU studies articles on whether God ever has or is currently progressing, and on progression in the afterlife.  Go deep with us!  It’s so much fun!  Plus Hadestown makes an appearance!

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

Thanks to our sponsor!  Check out Beyond the Witch's Woods: Book One of the Kingdom of Adair, by Nathan K Caulder 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BF2Q4TJX/

Two articles in this episode:

What Is the Nature of God’s Progress?, by Matthew Bowman

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/what-is-the-nature-of-gods-progress/

How Limited Is Postmortal Progression?, by Terryl L. Givens

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/how-limited-is-postmortal-progression/

Both from the full issue: Yet to be revealed, open questions in Latter-Day Saint theology. Edited by Eric A. Eliason and Terryl L. Givens

https://byustudies.byu.edu/journal/60-3/

Brain cells in a lab dish learn to play Pong — and offer a window onto intelligence, by Jon Hamilton

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/10/14/1128875298/brain-cells-neurons-learn-video-game-pong

Heike's Void, by Steven Peck (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Heikes-Void-Steven-Peck/dp/1948218550

The Plan, a play by Eric Samuelsen

https://sunstone.org/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/155-06-31.pdf

Slaughterhouse-Five: A Novel, by Kurt Vonnegut  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Slaughterhouse-Five-Novel-Modern-Library-Novels/dp/0385333846

Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert%27s_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel

Infinity - Here Come the 123s, by They Might Be Giants

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=pTpEB-Y2Ai0&list=OLAK5uy_ltENVxaQXfqCtKD-WTW_t38dlM81kvy-E

How To Count Past Infinity - Vsauce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrU9YDoXE88

Infinity is bigger than you think - Numberphile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elvOZm0d4H0

(Aaron) I couldn’t quite verify it, but it’s rumored that Matthew Bowman’s The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith states that James Talmadge was one of the first Mormon’s with a Ph.D.

https://www.amazon.com/Mormon-People-Making-American-Faith/dp/081298336X

Talking to Dante in the Spirit World, by Daniel Cooper

https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/talking-to-dante-in-the-spirit-world-by-daniel-cooper/

Hadestown!  It’s the best.  Here’s a spotify link.

https://open.spotify.com/album/1J1yxODbNlqKbwRqJxYJUP

Hades!  Also the best.  Get it on steam or it’s free right now on xbox if you have game pass!

https://www.supergiantgames.com/games/hades/

Joseph Smith and the Mormons Hardcover, by Noah Van Sciver 

https://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Smith-Mormons-Noah-Sciver/dp/141974965X

Next time!  The King Follett Discourse: Pinnacle or Peripheral?, by James E. Faulconer and Susannah Morrison

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-king-follett-discourse-pinnacle-or-peripheral/

Our related previous episode: 2.2 Canonization and the King Follett Discourse

https://faceinhat.podbean.com/e/22-canonization-and-the-king-follett-discourse/

Welcome to season 5! In this season we are studying the recent BYU Studies Quarterly issue 60:3: “Yet to be revealed, open questions in Latter-Day Saint theology.” In each of the articles, an unsettled, open question is presented along with viewpoints from LDS authorities, theologians, and scholars. The goal is not to resolve or debate but to present and discuss, a take we appreciate.  Join us!  Our first episode is on the article “Oh Say, What Is Truth?”: Approaches to Doctrine, by Michael A. Goodman.

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

Full issue: Yet to be revealed, open questions in Latter-Day Saint theology. Edited by Eric A. Eliason and Terryl L. Givens

https://byustudies.byu.edu/journal/60-3/

Introduction to a BYU Studies Quarterly Special Issue on Open Questions in Latter-day Saint Theology, by Eric A. Eliason and Terryl L. Givens

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/introduction-3/

“Oh Say, What Is Truth?”: Approaches to Doctrine, by Michael A. Goodman

https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/oh-say-what-is-truth/

Optimistic Nihilism - The philosophy of Kurzgesagt, by Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell

https://youtu.be/MBRqu0YOH14

People of Paradox: A History of Mormon Culture, by Terryl L. Givens

https://www.amazon.com/People-Paradox-History-Mormon-Culture/dp/0199915989

Argument - Monty Python

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ

Mormons love the Old Testament and everything about the Jewish faith and culture.  Join us as we go into the history of Judaic influences on the LDS faith, and the sometimes complex relationship between our faiths.

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

Colonialism - The Board Game Struggle, by No Pun Included

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQuFSxs9VXA

Wiki: Judaism and Mormonism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_Mormonism

What Is Cultural Appropriation?, by The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica

https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-cultural-appropriation

The Complicated Relationship between Mormons and Jews, by Matthew Bowman (free registration and free trial required)

https://mosaicmagazine.com/response/history-ideas/2020/07/the-complicated-relationship-between-mormons-and-jews/

Reverence vs Chutzpah, by thmazing

https://motleyvision.org/2013/05/01/reverence-vs-chutzpah/

Selections from Jews and Words by Oz and Oz-Salzberger, by thmazing

https://thmazing.blogspot.com/2013/03/selections-from-jews-and-words-by-oz.html

Jews and Words, by Amos Oz and Fania Oz-Salzberger

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300156472/

Cats, Feces, Zombies, Jews, Wars, Princesses, Prophets, Exes, Screenplays, blog post by thmazing

https://thmazing.blogspot.com/2013/03/cats-feces-zombies-jews-wars-princesses.html#lineage

What Is It About Mormonism?, by Noah Feldman (subscription required)

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06mormonism-t.html

(Aaron) I couldn’t find the reference for Spencer W. Kimball sharing a joke with the Lord, but I did find the awesome list of jokes and stories about Spencer W. Kimball.  Highly recommended!

Spencer W. Kimball: A Man of Good Humor, by Edward L. Kimball

https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2389&context=byusq

4.7 Joshua and Jericho

A fun primary lesson led to a deeper discussion of historicity and truth in the book of Joshua.

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

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What Do We Mean When We Say that the Scriptures Are True?  By Michael Austin

https://bycommonconsent.com/2021/05/23/what-do-we-mean-when-we-say-that-the-scriptures-are-true/

Wiki: the conquest of Caanan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Joshua#Entry_into_the_land_and_conquest_.28chapters_2.E2.80.9312.29

Come follow me: Joshua

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/come-follow-me-for-individuals-and-families-old-testament-2022/22

On Writing Heike’s Void, by Steven L. Peck

https://www.associationmormonletters.org/2022/06/on-writing-heikes-void-by-steven-l-peck/

Heike’s Void, by Steven L. Peck

https://www.amazon.com/Heikes-Void-Steven-Peck/dp/1948218550

Wiki: Battle of Jericho

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jericho

Song of solomon footnote

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/song/1?lang=eng#note

Americapox: The Missing Plague, by CGP Grey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk

Ada Palmer and the Weird Hand of Progress, by Gregory Barber

https://www.wired.com/story/ada-palmer-sci-fi-future-weird-hand-progress/

Thoughts to Keep in Mind: The Historical Books in the Old Testament

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/come-follow-me-for-individuals-and-families-old-testament-2022/22-thoughts

Mormon Literature at the 57th Annual MHA Conference, by Liz Busby

https://www.associationmormonletters.org/2022/05/mormon-literature-at-the-57th-annual-mha-conference/

Reading scientific papers requires a critical mindset, but often ‘critical’ has a negative connotation. How can we apply critical reading to scriptures and conference addresses? This is especially relevant in the context of recent conference addresses and discourse in the Mormon community on Heavenly Mother (see especially Dialogue’s spring issue, “Heavenly Mother in Critical Context”).

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

Infographic: How to read a scientific paper, by Natalia Rodriguez

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/infographic-how-to-read-a-scientific-paper

Answering Gospel Questions

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/answering-gospel-questions?lang=eng

How to Tell a True War Story, by Tim O’Brian

https://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~cinichol/CreativeWriting/323/OBrienWarStory.pdf

The things they carried, by Tim O’Brian

https://www.amazon.com/Things-They-Carried-Tim-OBrien/dp/0618706410

Your Divine Nature and Eternal Destiny, By Elder Dale G. Renlund (see footnote 10)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2022/04/36renlund

Dialogue, Spring 2022. “Heavenly Mother in Critical Context.”

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/issues/spring-2022/

In Defense of Heavenly Mother: Her Critical Importance for Mormon Culture and Theology, by Margaret Toscano

https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/in-defense-of-heavenly-mother-her-critical-importance-for-mormon-culture-and-theology/

Abbott & Costello 7 x 13 = 28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzxVyO6cpos

Queer Mormon Theology: An Introduction, by Blaire Ostler

https://www.amazon.com/Queer-Mormon-Theology-Blaire-Ostler/dp/1948218410

Mother's Milk, by Rachel Hunt Steenblik 

https://www.amazon.com/Mothers-Milk-Rachel-Hunt-Steenblik/dp/0998605220

Finding Mother God: Poems to Heal the World Hardcover, by Carol Lynn Pearson 

https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Mother-God-Poems-World/dp/1423656687

Dove Song: Heavenly Mother in Mormon Poetry.  Edited by Tyler Chadwick, Dayna Patterson, and Martin Pulido

http://www.peculiarpages.com/books/dove-song/

Dr. Eugene England and Elder Bruce R. McConkie really didn’t agree on many points regarding the nature of God and the destiny of souls. For today’s show, we highly recommend Rebecca England’s essay linked in the show notes!  We cover it briefly but it’s worth your time!

D&C 1:30

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/1?lang=eng&id=30#p30

The vision: D&C 76

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76

“The Vision”, by Matthew McBride (includes quote from Brigham Young and his brother Joseph)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/revelations-in-context/the-vision?lang=eng#p12

D&C 19:11-19

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/19?lang=eng&id=11-19#p11

So Ask No More…, by Mario R. Montani. Translated by Gabriel González.

(Spanish) https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/y-no-preguntes-mas/

(English) https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/so-ask-no-more/

A Professor and Apostle Correspond: Eugene England and Bruce R. McConkie on the Nature of God, by Rebecca England

http://www.eugeneengland.org/a-professor-and-apostle-correspond-eugene-england-and-bruce-r-mcconkie-on-the-nature-of-god

The Seven Deadly Heresies, by Bruce R. McConkie

https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/seven-deadly-heresies/

Stretching the Heavens: The Life of Eugene England and the Crisis of Modern Mormonism, by Terryl L. Givens

https://www.amazon.com/Stretching-Heavens-Eugene-England-Mormonism/dp/146966433X

Here’s a direct link to the quote that blew Aaron away, from Articles of Faith by, James Talmage, pg 421

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42238/42238-h/42238-h.htm#Page_421

Printed vs. audio version of The Seven Deadly Heresies

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Primary_sources/Bruce_R._McConkie/Seven_deadly_heresies

Happy new year!  We revisit older shows, adding updates on finance (billions of dollars worth), the Provo temple, the Devil in church meetings and certain prophecies about the color of horses. 

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

https://discord.gg/MnSMvKHvwh

More about the deseret alphabet and Unicode by Kenneth R. Beesley:

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2002/02169-deseret.pdf

https://uofupress.lib.utah.edu/an-1860-english-hopi-vocabulary-written-in-the-deseret-alphabet/

https://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb25-0/beesley.pdf

Original whistleblower article, by Jon Swaine, Douglas MacMillan and Michelle Boorstein:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/mormon-church-has-misled-members-on-100-billion-tax-exempt-investment-fund-whistleblower-alleges/2019/12/16/e3619bd2-2004-11ea-86f3-3b5019d451db_story.html

Some Thoughts About Ensign Peak Advisers and the Church, by Sam Brunson

https://bycommonconsent.com/2019/12/17/some-thoughts-about-ensign-peak-advisers-and-the-church/

Let’s Talk About Money, by Sam Brunson

https://bycommonconsent.com/2021/08/21/lets-talk-about-money/#more-115349

Response to church’s response, by Sam Brunson

https://twitter.com/smbrnsn/status/1208433565945487360

The Good Shepherds musical:

https://thegoodshepherds.net/about-the-show

Provo temple pictures:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/photo-gallery/provo-utah-temple?lang=eng

Irreantum issue: Joe Smith and the Devil

https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/18_1_top/

Sympathy for the “Devil”, by Roxy Rawson:

https://irreantum.associationmormonletters.org/sympathy-for-the-devil/

Film Theory: Star Wars, How The Mandalorian PROVES the Empire was Right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjWokxCfCvs

Eric’s comment in twitter thread on the OT:

https://twitter.com/thmazing/status/1476590787408252934

Starting off with the history of the People’s Park in Berkley, we segway into discussing Emily Kaplan’s article in the Washington Post, “The Rise of the Liberal Latter-day Saints.” It’s a great article and has generated lots of discussion, especially around LBGTQ issues. Join us! 

Link to our Face in Hat discord server!

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People's Park (Berkeley)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Park_(Berkeley)

The Rise of the Liberal Latter-day Saints and the battle for the future of Mormonism, by Emily Kaplan

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2021/09/27/rise-liberal-latter-day-saints/

First Person: Berkeley's Matt Marostica on How to Make Progressive Change within a Conservative Church

https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101885956/first-person-berkeleys-matt-marostica-on-how-to-make-progressive-change-within-a-conservative-church

Fireside podcast Ep. 6—No Compartments (David Dark)

https://www.firesidepod.org/episodes/dark

Life's Too Short to Pretend You're Not Religious, by David Dark 

https://www.amazon.com/Lifes-Short-Pretend-Youre-Religious/dp/0830844465

Human History Gets a Rewrite, by William Deresiewicz

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/graeber-wengrow-dawn-of-everything-history-humanity/620177/

Garden of Enid: Enid vs. The Big Tent, by Scott Hales

https://thegardenofenid.tumblr.com/post/94527291396/enid-vs-the-big-tent-8122014/amp

Benjamin Park’s response to Emily Kaplan’s essay

https://twitter.com/BenjaminEPark/status/1442616042627469312

Prop 8 - The Musical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hyT7_Bx9o

Stretching the Heavens: The Life of Eugene England and the Crisis of Modern Mormonism, by Terryl L. Givens

https://www.amazon.com/Stretching-Heavens-Eugene-England-Mormonism/dp/146966433X

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